Fourth Wall Podcast Returns for Second Season!

“Fourth Wall” is back for Season two, the podcast that takes world-leaders and sends them to the Moon, allowing them to take three movies with them, a book and a snack. Joined by NASA’s former Chief Knowledge Officer, Ed Hoffman, and XpoNorth Digital’s Screen and Media specialist, Jessica Fox, we go on a journey fuelled by cinema exploring the films that inspire our guests… and find out why stories are so important.



John Khoury


Discover the meaning of being a true leader with hosts Jessica Fox (XpoNorth Digital) and Dr Ed Hoffman (NASA) as they are joined by John Khrouy, Executive of Delivery at Telstra Purple, as he chooses his top three movies to take on a mission to the moon and what lessons we can learn from them. Plus, his choice of book and the world’s best snack.

John Khoury is the chapter area lead at Telstra Purple (COO), where is helps customers transform through technology, and manages areas like Tech Strategy, Transformation, Data & AI, Cloud, Cyber, Digital and Operations. Most of all, John is known far and wide for his superhero leadership skills, and his natural ability to be authentic, inclusive and inspiring with his team.

Dr. Al Zeitoun


Join our hosts Jessica Fox (XpoNorth Digital) and Dr Ed Hoffman (NASA) as they meet a global superstar of project management, Dr Al Zeitoun, fellow of the Project Management Institute (PMI), and prolific author. Find out what films make him tick, and how great stories influence his project management approach.

Dr Al Zeitoun has over 30 years of global experiences in project management and strategic change, leading operational excellence for large corporations. He has been a thought leader at leading institutions, including PwC Academy's MBA courses, University of Maryland's PMO courses, as well as leading ITT Technical Institute's Master of PM Curriculum Development and Delivery program, and is a Fellow of the Project Management Institute (PMI).

Nelly Wilson


Welcome to the future. Join hosts Jessica Fox (XpoNorth Digital) and Dr Ed Hoffman (NASA) as they find out what films Nelly Wilson, who helps guide business' early adoption of emerging AI technologies, would take to the moon. We learn about what makes a great story, what makes a great team, and that the future can be as bright and hopefully as we make it.

Nelly Wilson is an emerging leader at Google. Leading engineering delivery teams, she designs and implements data and AI solutions at Google Cloud. Bringing her voice to conversations that not only shape the present but also create the future, Nelly is consistently sought out for her thought leadership. Her work across multiple industries has been recognized with various awards, including Google Cloud Club, of which she is the youngest-ever recipient.

Douglas Weir


Lights, camera, action! Hosts Jessica Fox (XpoNorth Digital) and Dr Ed Hoffman (NASA) send film restoration expert at the British Film Institute, Douglas Weir to the moon, taking only three of the many movies he has saved during his career. Which films did he take? Join us as we uncover a treasure trove from the history of cinema.

Douglas Weir is the Content Remastering and Delivery Lead at British Film Institute (BFI).

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